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Sorry for two questions at once but I believe these issues may be compounding each other.

I have a new 912 ULS installed in a new Kitfox which I'm readying for first flight.

First I have installed one of the oil thermostats (perma cool). I followed the complete oil purge process by Rotax after installation and have good oil pressure and no loose tappets. However the thermostat does not seem to be opening. Oil temps on the ground in static operations have gotten as high as 220 degrees.

These operations are without a cowling and associated ducting for the oil cooler and radiator. Also the body of the thermostat gets warm on the one side, but the hoses and inlets to the oil cooler never show any warmth to the touch. (I have re-verified correct plumbing and an A&P do the same).

Have you ever had one of these stick (closed)?

To add insult to injury I'm having almost the same problem with the radiator installation. Ground ops with Evans coolant have resulted in temperatures approaching 300 degrees F. Today was the third time I have run the engine and while I had to add about a 1.5 cups of coolant the previous two times, this time the spider tank took only about half a cup to fill.

Again the system doesn't seem to be circulating, past the Ts for the cabin heat radiator. I have the shutoff valve for the cabin heat closed in an effort to ensure flow through the radiator but the inlets to the radiator never get warm to the touch. Based on temperature the flow only progresses to the tees for the cabin heat feeds.

I don't believe there is air trapped in the system and I'm at a loss for a cause other than a possible waterpump issue. I did pull and rotate the housing for hose installation, replaced the gasket and all appropriate sealing washers, during the build.

Any insights on airlock possibilities or troubleshooting approaches would be welcome.

Tom
  • Re: 912 Heating issues

    by » 11 years ago


    Tom,

    It sounds like a plumbing problem in both systems. Evans coolant does run hotter than 50/50 antifreeze but you should feel the radiator getting hot. Rotating the waterpump housing should not affect the effectiveness of the water pump at all.

    The oil thermostat sounds like the same type of plumbing problem. Oil thermostats are designed so that even in the closed position, some oil always flows to the oil cooler. The oil cooler should be a little warm even with the thermostat closed.

    Don't know how your radiator is mounted but sometimes it takes several tries to get all the air out and the water flowing. Could be the same with the oil cooler. If it is mounted flat or with the hose connections on the bottom, sometimes it just takes a while to get all the air out of the cooler and the oil flowing through it. In one instance I took the hoses loose on top of the oil cooler and poured oil directly into the cooler to fill it initially.

    I know you have probably done this a dozen times already, but I would check the plumbing schematic one more time. If everything is as it should be, bleeding the system where you can and warming the engine up a few more times might cure the problem.

    Good luck.

    Bill.

  • Re: 912 Heating issues

    by » 11 years ago


    Bill,
    Thanks for the feedback.

    I'll be switching to Dex and plan on filling the radiator prior to making the hose connections. This will also give me a chance to ensure flow thru the radiator etc.

    I guess the best way to check the thermostat is to pull it out of the system and connect the hoses. I'll verify operation etc, then decide what to do with the unit.

    Thanks again for the suggestions
    Tom

  • Re: 912 Heating issues

    by » 11 years ago


    Tom,

    Glad to help.

    I have a thermostat on my oil cooler but I'm not sure it's really necessary in my carolina weather. They do make the warmup times shorter. Other than that, except in really cold conditions, you can live without it.

    Bill

    Thank you said by: Tom Turnbull

  • Re: 912 Heating issues

    by » 11 years ago


    Bill,
    The thermostat came with the airplane, and I liked the idea of shorting the warm up time. We'll see if it goes back in later.
    Thanks again
    Tom

  • Re: 912 Heating issues

    by » 11 years ago


    Hi Tom,

    I am running both an oil thermostat and coolant thermostat on my 912uls that is in my kitfox 5 . I installed both . I did the oil purge as per rotax instruction and with the coolant thermostat, just filled system with 50/50 coolant ran for a few minutes then topped it up.

    Oil cooler is up front under gearbox with fittings on top. Coolant thermostat is just before the rad between the expansion tank and rad. They both work good and warmup is quick and they help keep the temps up in winter. Kevin
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