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About 30 minutes into a flight where the engine (Rotax 912 UL, 80 HP, ~1100 hrs on the engine) was running fine, it suddenly started running very rough and could not reach full power, maxing out at about 4600 rpm. After limping back to the airport, I’ve tried to find the source of the problem without any success so far. The engine will run, but only with violent shaking; it stalls out below about 3000 rpm, and now on the ground will not go much above 4000 rpm.

What I have done to troubleshoot the problem (with no success) is the following:

1. Fuel/carburetion system:
Initially I thought it was likely a carburetion problem (perhaps the slide in one of the carburetors sticking, or something clogging one of the jets or vent lines). I have taken apart and cleaned both carburetors, paying particular attention to cleaning the main jet, idle jet, throttle body, slide and slide body, and insuring all vent passages are open. In addition-
a. The float chambers are clean with no debris or corrosion, fuel is at the correct level
b. The floats ride at the correct level (floating with the side pins just above the gas surface)
c. The float valve tip looks good, and shuts off flow properly
d. The jets and needle appear to be in good shape with no obvious wear
e. The slides move freely up and down.
f. The diaphragms are flexible, no cracks
The above procedure did not improve the rough running.

2. Ignition System
a. I’ve pulled all the spark plugs and inspected them. The color is normal, gaps are within spec.
b. The spark plug electrodes and lower threads were cleaned to insure that there is no contamination from the heat conduction compound. This did affect the rough running.
c. The HT leads are flexible with no apparent deterioration
d. A proximity voltage probe indicates that all the spark plugs are receiving consistent high voltage pulses from the ignition system when running.

3. Carburetor Synchronization
About the only diagnostic indication I have is that when hooking up a set of vacuum gauges (as for doing a pneumatic synchronization of the carburetors), the one indicating vacuum for the left cylinder bank reads approximately zero, regardless of throttle setting (note that since the engine stalls out below ~3000 rpm, the vacuum might be expected to be somewhat low; the right cylinder bank vacuum changes between about 7” and close to zero depending on throttle setting). The carburetors are mechanically synchronized, but this behavior precludes pneumatic synchronization.
Thinking this vacuum indication might indicate an air leak, I’ve done the following:
a. I’ve checked the compensating tube for possible cracks/pinholes, etc. It is intact. I’ve also removed it and plugged the intake manifold connections at each end, with no effect on the rough running
b. I’ve carefully inspected the rubber carburetor sockets. These appear to be in good shape, no evidence of any cracking.
c. I’ve visually inspected the intake manifold for cracks, gaps where it attaches to the cylinders, etc. Nothing was found.
d. I’ve tried doing a propane test to try to identify any areas where air might be leaking into the system between the carburetors and cylinder heads, with no success in finding anything (although with the engine well above idle, this is likely not to be a very sensitive test)

So it appears not to be a problem with the carburetion system or with the ignition system, at least based on what I’ve done so far. The rough running is clearly a problem with engine operation, and not something like a gearbox or prop balance issue; the engine will only run (poorly with violent shaking) between approximately 3000 rpm and 4000 rpm. Since the problem originated suddenly, it seems unlikely that it would be caused by a slow deterioration such as worn or deformed valves (although I guess almost anything is possible).

I’d appreciate any additional suggestions or thoughts on things I might do that could help identify and fix this.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Paul
  • Re: Sudden Onset Extreme Rough Running on Rotax 912

    by » 8 years ago


    Hi Paul,

    When I had a problems with my gearbox and a deformed inlet valve they were not sudden onset, the gradually got worse over about 5-10 hours before the plane became too scary to fly.

    The only sudden problems that I have experienced were debris in the float bowls blocking the carb jets.

    Have you done a leak down compression test? There might be a problem with the valve train which is preventing the valves from closing properly. A catastrophic failure of a tappet or a valve spring would give you rough running with a sudden onset.

    Is there anything on the magnetic plug? Is the prop in good shape? Are there any cracks in the engine mounting frame?

    Take a look at my rough running mind map here:

    http://www.rotax-owner.com/en/rotax-forum/3-4-stroke-technical-questions/5898-rotax-912-ul-severe-vibration?start=20

    It might possibly give you some extra ideas.

    Good luck,

    Kevin

  • Re: Sudden Onset Extreme Rough Running on Rotax 912

    by » 8 years ago


    Hi Kevin-

    I have not yet done a leak down compression test - that's a good suggestion, and may help sort out if this is a valve problem.

    I haven't checked the magnetic plug since my last 100 hour inspection (about 70 hrs ago) - it was clean then, but I'll check it now to see if something turns up there. The prop is in good shape, as is the engine mounting frame.

    Your "rough running mind map" gives some other thoughts to explore. Also, just to totally rule out the carbs, I'm planning to borrow a pair of carbs from a friend next week and temporarily replace mine to see if there is something that did not get fixed when I cleaned them.

    Thanks for the suggestions!

    Paul

  • Re: Sudden Onset Extreme Rough Running on Rotax 912

    by » 8 years ago


    Well, I've done a leak down compression test -- all cylinders are good (84-85 psi with 87 psi input), so it appears all valves are sealing properly.

    Both carbs have been replaced with ones off of a different 912 -- no change in the rough running characteristics, or the max power of ~4000 rpm.

    I've installed all new spark plugs -- no change.

    A mag check indicates that both ignition circuits are working.

    Still the only real diagnostic I have is that the left cylinder bank indicates approximately zero vacuum regardless of throttle setting. Since the valves seem to be sealing okay, could this mean that an intake valve is not opening? Does anyone have other thoughts on what might be causing this?

    Thanks,

    Paul



    Thanks

  • Re: Sudden Onset Extreme Rough Running on Rotax 912

    by » 8 years ago


    Paul,

    It might be worth visually inspecting the rockers to see that the valves are being opened. Just remove the rocker covers (don't lose the O ring that seals the fixing screw). You might need to place a drip tray under the cylinder to catch any oil (shouldn't be much).

    Rotate the prop and visually check that the rockers and valve stems are moving correctly. I can;t remember how much deflection there should be, you may have to compare with a good cylinder.

  • Re: Sudden Onset Extreme Rough Running on Rotax 912

    by » 8 years ago


    Hi Kevin-

    You get a gold star!!

    I removed the rocker covers and found that one of my intake valves is not opening at all. That clearly is the source of my rough running problem.

    Do you think that this could be caused by a collapsed hydraulic tappet? I would think that even if the tappet is not working properly that there would still be enough motion on the push rod to at least partially open the valve. What other failure could cause the valve train to not open the valve at all? (The push rod does move somewhat as the prop is rotated, but it does not seem to be as much as on a "good" valve, and at no time in the cycle is the push rod even tight against the valve stem - there is always a gap.)

    Thanks again,

    Paul

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