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The 912S is in a Phoenix, an LSA glider (it's a motoglider). The engine has 440 hours on it with no problems. I run it mostly on mogas, and it spends maybe third of it's flight hours with the engine idling while I'm soaring it. Here's the summary of what happened on two flights - Oct 7 & 8...

+ It started and ran normally on the ground, including the 3000 rpm ignition check
+ Full throttle while holding it with the brake yielded about 4800 static rpm (normal), then I began the takeoff.
+ Takeoff and climb were normal for the first 20 seconds or about 300+ feet AGL
+ I felt the engine running rough, and the RPM dropped to 4600 rpm
+ I reduced the throttle to 4400 rpm, where the rough running became smooth, and I could then power up to full throttle with no problems.
+ At 3000' AGL or so, I went to idle to begin soaring, and the engine performed flawlessly, as it always has.
+ There were other full throttle climbs during both flights, but at higher airspeeds, so the pitch angle was only 7 degrees instead of 12.
+ The Dynon Skyview data log showed the EGTs stayed with 20 deg F during the roughness, and with 30 deg F the whole flight

I thought that the nose up attitude during the climb after takeoff might have caused contaminants in the fuel to get picked up, but when I drained samples from each tank after the last flight it was pure mogas.

A friend wondered if it could the plugs, because I do a lot of soaring with the engine idling. A possibility? I've been doing the idling while soaring for the 3 years I've owned it, without any problems.

Any ideas about the cause? And what tests might help find it? At this point I don't mind doing another flight to carry out some tests to pin down the problem. With the 30:1 glide, I only need 200 feet AGL to turn back to the airport safely, so the risk period is about 10 seconds at most.
  • Re: 912 loses 500 rpm during climb

    by » 7 years ago


    I would start with popping the carb bowls off and taking a look for any debris. Check floats for weight. Is this just the mechanical pump or is there also an electric pump? What maint. was performed last and how long before this issue? What is the plug gap? Wondering if it is too wide and lots of low rpm time they may produce a poor spark, poor burn and some plug fouling? When's the last time the carbs were synced so they are running efficient, but during this you can see if there are any irregularities.
    Out of curiosity what is the rpm when at idle and soaring?

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


  • Re: 912 loses 500 rpm during climb

    by » 7 years ago


    It has a low wing and an electric fuel pump that I use during takeoff and landing. The pump was not used during the (mostly) full throttle climbs later in the flights.

    The last maintenance was the annual inspection in April (50 hours ago); no work was done on the engine except for an oil change and plug inspection; the plugs have 150 hours on them, and the gap appears to be 0.028". A picture of the top #1 plug is attached (new plug on right), and the data log with a red arrow showing the rough-running, reduced rpm period.

    The static idle is 1800 rpm; cruising at 60 knots, the idle is about 2300 rpm; thermalling at 50 knots it's about 2200 rpm.

    N42EJEGTRPM_2017-10-12.pdf (You do not have access to download this file.)
    Sent_2017-10-12.jpg (You do not have access to download this file.)

  • Re: 912 loses 500 rpm during climb

    by » 7 years ago


    Hi Eric,
    The plug gap should be between .023 - .027. I would pick .025 it's in the middle and won't be out of spec by the next annual. Next I would throw those old plugs away. I never go past 100 hrs. and 98% of my customers and I toss them at 75 hours. (I know what the manual says, but I don't know of anyone that goes by 200 hr. plugs) They are only a couple of bucks so they're cheap.It kind of looks like you have anti seize on the plug. If so this shouldn't be used and use the correct thermal white color paste on them. Next I would check the carb bowls for debris and then sync the carbs. Use gauges to sync the carbs as they will help you diagnose an issue. Electronic sync devices can't do that. After these things are done then go for another flight. Leave the electric pump on during your climbs at take off.

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


  • Re: 912 loses 500 rpm during climb

    by » 7 years ago


    Thanks, Roger. I've located someone locally to loan me a tube of the proper paste, so I'll gap the plugs, change them, and do a test flight this afternoon. Jim Scott at Aircore changed them last time, so I'm sure he used the proper paste. I have used plugs as long as 170 hours with no issues.

    If I still have the problem after changing the plugs, I'll meet with Jim on Saturday to check the carb and floats. He suggested it's not the carbs, since the EGTs run so close together during the loss of rpm (and the entire flight), but it might be the fuel supply, which could affect both carbs equally.

  • Re: 912 loses 500 rpm during climb

    by » 7 years ago


    Hi Eric,
    It can be a several of things, but just do 1-2 common easy and inexpensive things at a time.

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


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