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  • Re: 582 high engine temp

    by » 12 years ago


    Mike,

    Weather can definitely affect the RPMs on a two cycle. I would try a couple more flights before you change anything. 6250RPM could be a little low for your static RPM. After a few flights, try raising the static RPM a little. You need to achieve full RPM on climbout.

    Has the plane ever run cool on climbout? If not, bigger rads may be in order. If you can't fit bigger rads, try to find thicker ones.

    If it did run cool at one time, Did you just flush the rads or have them chemically cleaned. Mineral deposits like calcium can greatly affect cooling and cannot be cured by flushing with water or antifreeze.

    Bill.

    Thank you said by: Michael Regan

  • Re: 582 high engine temp

    by » 12 years ago


    Hi MIke
    If you can pull 6250 static your prop is set close. If the prop settings do not change during your testing then we can assume the prop is not the problem.

    If the engine will pull 6250 static and only climbout at 6100, what is happening? The load on the engine is decreasing as forward speed increases,the rpm should be coming up.

    Are you doing the static runup with the cowl off and the takeoff with the cowl on?
    Is there anything that you do that changes the air flow through the cowl?
    Is there any change to the carb air intake, air filters, silencers or ducting?
    Is there anything that has changed the routing of the exhaust?
    Are there any under cowl exhaust leaks?
    Is there any other change that occurs prior to takeoff?
    Have you verified that the tach is accurate at all times?

    Dennis

    Thank you said by: Michael Regan

  • Re: 582 high engine temp

    by » 12 years ago


    Hi Mike
    I have been reading back through your old posts and scratching my head. I don't see where you have ever verified your tach reading or even what tach you are using. It is possible that you have a tach that is producing inaccurate readings that vary with different vibration levels. This would explain the inconsistant rpm readings you first reported (lost 700 rpm) and the drop in rpm from runup to climbout.
    I use an optical tach to measure prop rpm and verify my dash mounted tach. Although I have an expensive older Sun instrument I prefer using a inexpensive one that I purchased at a RC hobby shop. It is for measuring the prop rpm on RC airplanes, simply select the number of prop blades and point it at the prop. Multiply the reading by the reduction ratio in your gearbox and you have your engine rpm. I am able to do this from the cockpit, through an open door, on the ground and in flight. As long as you are consistant with light direction I find this little tool is accurate and consistant.
    Once you have determined the engine is operating at the correct rpm, and corrected any errors, you can address your cooling issue.

    Dennis

    Thank you said by: Michael Regan

  • Re: 582 high engine temp

    by » 12 years ago


    I use one on these laser tachs and also a tiny tack in addition to the panel mounted a/c tach which ind around 200rpm over,

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Digital-Laser-Photo-Tachometer-Non-Contact-RPM-Tach-205-DN00-/181011970004?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item2a252777d4

    The laser tach agrees with the tiny tach to within 10rpm and both can be had for less than 20GBP from the far east...very handy as a cross reference tool,

    I would say though that the reflective markers that are supplied with the laser tach to be stuck on a rotating part of the engine are not very good...giving fluctuating readings...I use my own and get a rock steady reading,

    Your prob is a real head scratcher Mike.

    Nick.

    Thank you said by: Michael Regan

  • Re: 582 high engine temp

    by » 12 years ago


    Sorry guys, been away a coupla days. Thanks for all your input.

    Bill, when I was getting 6700rpm on climbout it was never overheating. All this trouble seemed to happen around the same time. The Rads have been cleaned and checked by a pro with an endscope cam and he said its ok.

    Dennis. You said.... If the engine will pull 6250 static and only climbout at 6100, what is happening? The load on the engine is decreasing as forward speed increases,the rpm should be coming up. Thats what don't make sense. I guess we need to look at a cause that could produce that symptom. Maybe timing? I would have to call in a rotax mechanic for that I think. The engine does start super fast (sugesting timing retard) since I had the Stator Plate replaced a while back, and before that, there was no overheating. It all seemed to start one week before the stator was fitter, because I remember they Rotax guy saying the new stator might fix the problem, but it didn't. IF the old stator caused bad timing...and the new one was not timed properly... then that could be an issue yes?

    Today I did another test... this time with the cowling on, and Static was 6400rpm and climbout still 6100. Checked blades again to be normal after flight. Also did a WOT during taxi back and it was still only 6100rpm. It was much cooler today though at only 64 deg.

    I done nothing to change airflow on cowling.

    No changes to the carby or air intake, but I did try a larger main jet (165 to a 170) and it made no difference, so I changed back to the recommended 165.

    No change to exhaust except a new gasket fitted when checked the pistons. No leaks I am aware of.

    No change to anything prior to take off. All done exactly as with static test. Throttle pushed at same slow speed also.

    I have been using a tiny tach for a few months now, and it has always read 100 rpm lower than the analogue one, so that means if the tiny tach is correct, the rpm on take off is really only about 6000 rpm.

    Nick... Somehow I don't think the tach is a problem because I used to get easily 1200-1500 fpm on climbout at WOT, but now only 800rpm. So its not the tach I am sure. What I will do next will be a video showing everything from static test to climbout to cruise so you can see al;l the gauges at each phase of flight. That will be a week away though as I got a bit on at the minute and also need the weather to cool back down again.

    Thanks for everything guys.... Mike

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