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At http://flymall.org/aircraft/docs/FAQs-on-Rotax.pdf
it says,or at least strongly implies, that cruising at less than 5500 RPM will wear the engine MORE.

Although we do cruise climbs at 5000 to 5500 we often level cruise ours down in the 4300 to 4800 range when not in a hurry to get somewhere. We're both lightweight pilots and that's plenty of power to stay aloft in level flight at our loading.

Uses less fuel, makes less noise, and, until I read that site, I figured for sure it would _increase_ engine life.

Despite that site's brief explaination of why 5500 is optimal, it still seems suspicious and doubtful to me that 4600 RPM wouldn't be less wear.

Anyone have, thoughts, knowledge, or experience on that?

Yeah, I know the 912 shouldn't be ideled below 2000 RPM -- that's not the issue I'm concerned about.

And I'm _not_ talking about an engine that's running at below 5000 RPM because it's overloaded (like if the prop pitch has been set too high.)

I know the factory engineers are very sharp folks but the idea that I could wear it significantly by cruising level at 4600 is SO counterintuitive.

What's more I know dozens of 912 owners and NONE of them cruise at what APPEARS to be the factory recommended 5500 RPM. Most cruise at 5000 on cross country.

Finally, if it WERE damaging to run at medium RPM everytime a 912 is operated in setting up its approach it would be doing excessive wear.

Any ideas?

Al

P.S., I know a 912 owner with a Eurostar with more hours on it than any other I know - just under 4000 without an overhaul or, according to the owner,without need for any mechanical repair. And it is pitched for a max static of 4600. According to him runs just as sweetly and delivers just as much power as a new one.
  • Re: cruising at 4600 REALLY cause sig more wear?

    by » 13 years ago


    Hi Al,

    All engines have design parameters. Some are wide some are not. The Rotax does have specific rpm parameters that the factory designed in and would like you to stay within those parameters for the longevity of the engine. Will it run out side of those parameters, yes, but you may be spending more money for the life of the engine to keep it up and of course it may fail. People tend to blame the engine then and not their maint. habits. Just like a smoker, some have COPD or a heart attack early in life and some tend to live longer without a great amount of trouble, but why tempt fate. When it strikes it's too late. Your engine is the same and was designed to cruise at 5000 or above and up to 5500 all day long for it's life. It was not designed to live its life at 4600 or less. Why rely on what an individual says when Rotax has millions of dollars invested and hundreds of thousands of hours to prove what's best for their engine over the 1-2 people. Not to mention all the reported cases of what people did to ruin their engine.

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


    Thank you said by: YEN NIEN YU

  • Re: cruising at 4600 REALLY cause sig more wear?

    by » 13 years ago


    Since earlier this month asking about needle settings & cool engine parameters, Roger highlighted my use of relatively slow rev's. Now I have a new anr headset to make life bearable I've tried continuous 5,000 rpm on a Rans S6-116 with 80 h.p.
    It's still running cool, but someone else on this forum indicates second notch on the needle for Summer, so that's still to come.
    Meanwhile the 'plane's improved performance is sparkling now I know 5,000 isn't killing the motor. The below 'mod' also made a significant handling & a little speed improvement too !
    [The tailplane incidence is now adjusted by new drilled holes, beyond the two positions the standard Rans fixing brackets permit, now it's close to the incidence of a very old Randy Schlitter memo found on Google].

  • Re: cruising at 4600 REALLY cause sig more wear?

    by » 13 years ago


    Hi Mike,

    Once you settle in at 5000 then try 5100-5200.

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


  • Re: cruising at 4600 REALLY cause sig more wear?

    by » 13 years ago


    Hi Mike,

    I dont know where your post about your Rotax running cool is, so apologies for replying to that topic here in this thread about cruise RPM.
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    Quite possibly someone has already mentioned these next suggestions regarding cool running, but for what it may be worth ours ran cool and we came up with two rather obvious solutions both rather simple and both of significant help:

    # Get some aluminum tape and put it over part of the oil cooler radiator intake and over the coolant radiator intake. Start small, increase cover until you see the operating temps come up to the optimum ranges. For summer or notably hot days remove some. Some owners have made fancy baffles over their radiators. Rather surprising how much you may need to put over the radiator to get the effect you want.

    # We installed a third party thermostat per makers instructions on the coolant line between the engine and the coolant radiator.
    See http://members.cox.net/watt-man/TB%20Testing1.htm
    and
    http://www.stolspeed.com/thermostat-for-912
    It has a bypass so in the unlikely event it got stuck you do not lose all your cooling.

    It appears to be a high quality carefully designed item with some testing and track record to back it up. I have no idea what Rotaxs official position, if any, is regarding this or any other coolant thermostat. Seems to me ideally there should be one in the head coolant system and one in the oil cooling system too.

    Not only does this help stabilize running at optimal temp but it reduces warmup time.

    Finally: Consol yourself that you dont have the issues of some aircraft owners of their engines tending to run too hot.... as that is a much more serious problem in terms of wear, safety, and difficulty in finding real remedies. ;-)

    Caveat: I am neither an A&P nor do I have any Rotax training and am just a mediocre mechanic.
    Make your own evaluation of anything I suggest or say.

    Alex

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