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A friend of mine at our local airfield had encountered increasing difficulty in starting a Tecnam P92 equipped with Rotax 912 ULS, culminating with the inability to start the engine.

The causes had been identified in the absence of voltage to the spark plugs.

Due to a good advice from a rotax expert user my friend immediately inspected the ground cable from the ignition modules(the black wire that go from m5 allen screw fixing modules itself to the m6 bolt on the intake manifold - fig. 74-23 item n°10 , pag. 36 of Rotax heavy maintenance manual).

The connections on intake manifold side were slow and strongly oxidized. On the same bolt on the intake mainfold are wired the grounds of the ignition coils. After the restoration of conductivity the engine has started perfectly. Ex post My friend do not know if the problem was in the ignition or in the coil grounding.

My friend was told that this problem, together with the lack of fuel and / or lubricant is one of the few that can cause failure of the Rotax 912.

Now we can admit that lack of fuel and lubrication problems (the latter very rare to my knowledge) can stop an engine. But but a wire and / or broken or loose wire terminals may cause a total failure in a well-designed and electrical redundant engine seems very strange.

Rotax manual requires fixing allen screws and cable end bolts with Loctite 221 and seems to have updated new engine specifics from one to two ground terminal points on the intake manifolds , perhaps to introduce redundancy (two points for ignition coils of circuit A and B ).

I'd love to hear from anyone who has had experience of the phenomenon because to think that A SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE could jeopardize an engine ignition system with double ignition module, coils, pickups and separate power gens/ lines seems very strange.

Greetings

Nicola Biase
  • Re: Single pont of failure for rotax 912 dual CDI ?

    by » 13 years ago


    Nicola,

    I went out and checked my ignition modules this evening and I have the same single ground attachment point. I had never thought about it as a single point of failure. They will be changed to separate ground points tomorrow.

    Many thanks,

    Bill.

  • Re: Single pont of failure for rotax 912 dual CDI ?

    by » 13 years ago


    I'm not sure to understand the issue.
    The ground cable you are indicating (fig. 74-23 item n°10 , pag. 36) has the only purpose of grounding the cable shielding. It has nothing to do with the ignition system so I don't see how it could be considered a single point of failure as you indicated.
    bye
    Zeb

  • Re: Single pont of failure for rotax 912 dual CDI ?

    by » 13 years ago


    I'm not sure to understand the issue.
    The ground cable you are indicating (fig. 74-23 item n°10 , pag. 36) has the only purpose of grounding the cable shielding. It has nothing to do with the ignition system so I don't see how it could be considered a single point of failure as you indicated.
    bye
    Zeb


    I am very sorry because my post was not fully understood.

    My friend, tracing what (cable no. 10) he (and me too :angry: ) wrongly thinks was an ignition grounding and not a shield grounding as you correclty indicate, found bad connections on two m6 grounding bolts on intake manifold. link to bolts image

    On this bolts there are connected all the grounds of ignition coils.

    Without this grounds (e.g. if the bolts are loose or lost) ENGINE QUITS (i am sure because we have done a ground experiment).

    The problem is that in pre 2004 rotax 912 engines there is ONLY ONE m6 BOLT ON INTAKE MANIFOLD WITH ALL IGNITION COILS GROUNDS CONNECTED. Two bolts redundant grounding attachment is installed only on post 2004 rotax 91x engines. (see rotax SI-912-013 e SI-914-016)

    So If (in old engines) this single bolt fails all dual CDI system fails.

    Therefore my warning is that in pre 2004 rotax 91x units equipped with this single m6 grounding bolt on intake manifold can be a SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE.

    I hope helps.

    Nicola di biase

  • Re: Single pont of failure for rotax 912 dual CDI ?

    by » 13 years ago


    Although it's clearer now, I wonder how hold these engines should be as my 912 UL being dated 1999 has already the separated ground connections.
    bye
    Zeb

  • Re: Single pont of failure for rotax 912 dual CDI ?

    by » 13 years ago


    Although it's clearer now, I wonder how hold these engines should be as my 912 UL being dated 1999 has already the separated ground connections.
    bye
    Zeb


    Thanks for your info.

    In our airfield i haven't an old engine to examine but, owing to rotax manual (links to figures down here), there are versions with single ground point.

    old engine

    new engines

    Has someone other data to clarify the issue ?

    Nicola di Biase

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