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Our 912UL is due for changing coolant.

Since we have NO issues at all about running hot (ours runs so cool that we have to most of the year cover part of both the water radiatior and the oil radiator to get it to get the oil up to optimal temperatures) at first I was skeptical about the value of replacing with the newer waterless coolant Rotax seems to be recommending as desirable....but on doing some research see some advantages that could make the much higher cost of the coolant and the hassle of getting every drop of waterbased coolant out before installing it worthwhile.

For example, I note that with the waterless coolant a pressurized cap is NOT necessary.
Seems like a real advantage as lack of pressurizing the cooling system greatly reduces the risk of small leaks and seepage(such as at hose clamps) and in event of a real leak all the coolant wouldn't be instantly squirted out.
But that raises a question:
#Where would I get a non-pressurized cap?

So we're inclined to opt for the waterless coolant.
So first question is, anyone have strong opinions on the waterless coolant?

Next question is, I notice Evens makes three different waterless coolants...which one is the Rotax recommened one?

Finally, and most important:
Are there any special directions and gotchas to watch for on changing the coolant?
I ask because the dozens of times I've done that in cars it's a no-brainer:
Just find the lowest convenient point in the cooling system (98% of the time that's a drain valve at the bottom of the radiator. Drain as much old coolant as practical.
Maybe flush with a little water.
Add new coolant at correct (usually 50/50) ratio.
Run the engine to warm up. Recheck coolant level (in case some trapped air has burped out lowering the level)and top up if needed. Check level again after a short test drive.

But I've learned that with Rotax things that are simple and relatively idiot proof on the car are touchy and fraught with risks on the Rotax. (For example, on the Rotax oil change "burping" to get the last few ounces of oil out of the filter, etc, can result in unwanted air trapped in there and require a relatively complicated purging proceedure.)
SO ARE THERE ANY SPECIAL THINGS THAT ARE NOT OBVIOUS in the coolant changeout proceedure?
For example: Do I have to use the drain plug near (on?) the waterpump or block to drain, or can I just remove the lowest hose on my radiator (easier) and drain from there?

Al
  • Re: Any quirks/tips on changing coolant?

    by » 11 years ago


    Hi Al,

    Evans isn't as recommended as it once was. If you use it then use the Evans NPG+. You will need the prep fluid too to get rid of the water in the system after the water is drained. I pull off the lowest coolant hose and just blow down through the fill tank really hard about 4-5 times. That pretty much gets rid of all the coolant. There maybe a few spoonfuls left. Then you can get a little more by removing the low point drain screw on the water pump.Then put it back together and fill with the prep fluid. Instructions are on the jugs. After that drain the prep fluid and fill with the Evans NPG.
    Personally I'm not an Evans fan in many tight cowled engines. If you have warm temps already Evans can put you over the top for heat. Water based 50/50 dissipates heat better. When using Evans you may see a 20F up to as high as 30F additional heat penalty depending on your cooling system. Because it has no water it doesn't cool as well. You don't have to get another cap. Just use the one you have.

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


    Thank you said by: Allan Spensor

  • Re: Any quirks/tips on changing coolant?

    by » 11 years ago


    Hi Rodger,
    Thanks for your usual prompt and to-the-point and thoughtful reply!
    Particularly confirming my inclination to drain via the radiator hose.

    You've got me leaning back toward conventional coolant now ;-)

    But still want to bounce this waterless coolant option around a bit more if you'll play:

    I was aware of the fact that it doesn't have quite the heat carrying (cooling) capacity that water based coolant does, and that the engine probably will actually run a bit hotter with waterless.
    I think I didn't mention in my original post on this topic that this particular characterizing could be an ADVANTAGE on our 912ul. Because my 912ul LSA even though front cowl mounted runs really COOL.
    In fact even through most of the summer we have to block off part of the oil cooler and water radiator to get it to bring oil temperature up to optimal operating range (190 to 230 F)and even then it's usually at the lower end of optimal temp. We even have a thermostat on the water coolant line that won’t open until it’s up to 180-degrees and we STILL run on the cool side. So the "20F up to as high as 30F additional heat penalty" you suggest we might see using Evans waterless could actually be an advantage to us….get us into optimal oil temp sooner and keep us there longer.

    Add to that the obvious advantage of Evans waterless that I'd normally never again need to change out the coolant, the higher boiling point, and the claims that increased fuel efficiency, lack of hot spots in the system no possibility of cavitation or electrolysis or corrosion, it starts to look worth the hassle of the more complex flush and the much higher up front cost.
    If it actually (due to less corrosion)saves one replacement/failure of a water pump down the line could be well worth it for that alone.

    So regarding that last thing (corrosion/pump protection) I do have a question for you with your front-line experience: How often or rarely do you see 912's needing water pumps replaced or corrosion damage in the coolant system and how costly are those? If, for example, you were to say “we rarely see those types of issues…by the time you see corrosion problems in the coolant system or your water pump gives you headaches you’re probably due for a major overhaul anyway” I’d not give THAT claimed advantage much weight.

    So what do you think? Does my telling you my 912 runs really on the cool side lean you closer to
    saying “might be worth it in your case?”

    Finally,
    You said, and I do understand, that I don't NEED to get a new cooling system cap for using waterless coolant.
    But isn't the standard one a pressure cap (mine being older is probably 13psi)?
    Sounded to me like one advantages of the Evans waterless coolant IS that I COULD run it with a lower or ZERO pressure cap (thus reducing chances of seepage at clamps, gaskets, etc)
    Could I turn my pressure cap into a lower or zero pressure cap by a different gasket? Or?

    Al

  • Re: Any quirks/tips on changing coolant?

    by » 11 years ago


    The old cap pressure was .9 bar and the newer style that has been out for many years is 1.2 bar. The pressure builds because the water. the Evans won't do that so keeping the old cap won't make a difference since the Evans isn't going to boil unless it hits approx. 370F 50/50's temp is around 270F-275F. I don't think installing the Evans is hard. Takes a step or two to make sure there is no water and I'm not a big fan of life time coolant and no changes. If you are running cold then Evans will help bring temps up some.

    Is it worth it or not, other than for the temp increase?
    I don't know, that's going to have to be answered by you.

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


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