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  • Re: Help: Sting Sport (Rotax 912ULS) Vibration

    by » 12 years ago


    I am quite happy to report we have finally solved this vibration saga. The culprit appears to have been propeller pitch–i.e., pitch setting and/or blade synchronization.

    Determining this was a long (6-week) and costly journey–but a great learning experience! Another plus was that several issues which could have caused serious trouble down the road (er, sky...) got identified and fixed along the way.

    This is what happened. About 8 months ago, we retired the airplane’s original Woodcomp SR200 propeller after 912 hours; my mechanic installed a new 3-blade prop of the same make and model. But soon, I began feeling sporadic, spontaneous high-frequency (HF), vibrations through the rudder pedals. These usually manifested shortly after climb-out, as throttle was reduced; they would often go away (or become intermittent) in response to further throttle changes (up or down).

    These HF emanations should have been obvious clues, but we did not immediately relate them to the new prop, because a lot of other stuff was also done to the airplane about the same time, including nose-gear repairs, a valve job, exhaust-system repairs, gearbox overhaul, and other stuff.

    Anyway, these HF vibrations gradually appeared more frequently. This in turn caused low-frequency (LF) vibrations to emerge due to the resulting wear and tear to the engine mounts and gearbox. Moreover, before too long, the number 3 exhaust pipe started cracking repeatedly (on its fourth weld, now, and holding, thank goodness). Bottom line, I had three troublesome issues: HF vibs; LF vibs; and a repeatedly cracking exhaust (with its attendant sound and vibration issues). I was not a happy camper...

    The turning point in the dilemma was when I decided to carefully re-set the prop pitch up a notch and to re-synch the three blades more accurately (using a homemade laser device) than before. This showed that the journey marks on the blades and hub are very coarse indicators; using them alone to set the pitch as outlined in the AMM almost guarantees a set of wobbling blades (i.e., with different “bites”). Also, my mechanic had set the new prop’s pitch to achieve 5250 rpms at WOT on climb-out, whereas my original prop (which was smooth-as-silk for 912 hrs) pulled 4900-4950 rpms. So, I also decided to pitch back up a hair to where the original prop had been; I got close with a WOT climb-out of 4970.

    Anyway, to conclude a long story: With those prop changes, I’m now flying smooth and vibration free again. And I have new engine mounts, a shimmed-to-tolerance gearbox, re-built carbs, new throttle and choke cables, at least a half-dozen carb synchs, and several other less costly goodies, to boot! All things that needed to be done anyway.

    So now, I think maybe I can finally start to enjoy the airplane’s next 1100 hours–and getting back to making my videos (“Sting Flight”). But, I guarantee one thing: If I get those kind of vibration symptoms again, I’ll be investigating the prop first–not the last–thing! Might save myself a ton of money and frustration... :) :) :)

    June 6, 2013 post script: I felt compelled to come back here today and clarify something. I reported above (and maybe in another thread) about using a laser pointer to do a very accurate prop pitch--the idea being to project the laser dot a few feet away, where small changes show up as big movements of the dot. This does work quite nicely--but only with one very important caveat: your prop blades must first be in perfect track. If not, you will be correcting prop track with prop pitch and may end up with a bigger problem (i.e., out-of-synch prop)than you started with. There, I feet better and will be able to sleep now, just knowing that no one will make this critical mistake!

    Thank you said by: RotaxOwner Admin

  • Re: Help: Sting Sport (Rotax 912ULS) Vibration

    by » 12 years ago


    Well, I guess I cannot put this story to bed quite yet. I got to thinking that pulling just 4970 on climb-out, with a WOT static rpm of just 4950, might be just a little bit marginal. By marginal, I mean those numbers could be just a tad low, thus leading to detonation or overheating--under hot conditions--on climbs. And, take-off rolls should I leave my sea-level safe haven and go to altitudes, could be lengthy. So I decided to try to dial that pitch back just a hair or two to gain maybe 100-200 rpms.

    Well, I achieved about 130 rpms, which was just right, but those harmonic HF vibs came right back with a vengeance! And this was with synching the pitch of the three blades very accurately using my laser-pointer device.

    Anyway, I decided that was enough, already, with this Woodcomp propeller. I am now pretty much convinced there is some problem with it, either inherently (i.e., since new), or, due to something that has occurred in the 150 hours I have put on it.

    So, I went online to Aircraft Spruce, and pulled the trigger on a new prop: a DUC Swirl Inconnel, one of several approved props for my Sting Sport lsa. I can't wait to get it; I tried one recently off my mechanic's lsa airplane and it was just awesome--both climbing and top speed--during a brief test. :unsure:

  • Re: Help: Sting Sport (Rotax 912ULS) Vibration

    by » 9 years ago


    How did you make out with the DUC Swirl prop? I'm putting one on my Aerotrek A220. After adjusting the carbs, (rough, not with a synchronizer) I ran the engine, first time in 7 months. After a bit it smoothed out and I increased the rpm approaching 5000 and thought I was encountering a vibration, so immediately reduced the rpm. Since then I noticed the documentation that came with the prop and it says do not run it up that high without moving. Mentions cavitation. I never experienced cavitation on an airplane. (I have 2500-3000 hrs in GA.) I'm not the A&P working on it. I'm the owner. Because of WX conditions I have not been able to run it down the runway and get the rpm up to 5000+ to see if the "vibration" still exists. (In case the plane wants to fly and does, we need vfr. Have not had that for a few days.)

    thanks

  • Re: Help: Sting Sport (Rotax 912ULS) Vibration

    by » 9 years ago


    Glad you asked! The DUC Swirl prop was the best investment I EVER made in my Sting Sport. And now, 850 hours later, this is still true!

    Go to SportPilotTalk.com forum, to read more about my DUC propeller experience:
    http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3627

    I should add, however, that I believe the key to true satisfaction using this propeller is to get the three blades accurately set to THE SAME exact pitch. This is very difficult to do with a "level" type of protractor. Be sure your mechanic has some degree of digital technology with which to do it accurately, such as this protractor:
    http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/nddprot.php?clickkey=26834

    Get those three blades perfectly matched--and she's a dream!

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