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I have been having intermittent starting problems for a while now. Currently the engine will not start at a all. I have done some research yesterday and came away with the tip to heat the cdi units with a hot air gun. I charged the battery today for 4 hours to be sure it was in good condition. The engine would not start. I heated the top cdi with a hot air gun on low setting for apron. 10 seconds. The engine tried to start but sputtered. I felt the top cdi and it was already cool. I heated the cdi again for a few seconds longer this time. The engine immediately started. My engine was made in 2007 and installed in a 2008 aircraft. It has approximately 365 hours on it.

I am ready to order a soft start kit from Lockwood but they are out of stock. Apparently all the dealers have the same kit on sale now. I will check around for availability Wednesday.

I crank the engine with the mags off to burp the engine. I wonder if that played a role in the premature demise of the cdi modules?

I seem to recall a posting somewhere that there was a bunch of weak modules in a certain year that were prone to early failure. Are there any comments about that?
  • Re: 80 HP 912UL will not start

    by » 10 years ago


    In the past I would have said the modules are very robust, but here this last 8 months or so I have seen a very high number of module failures from the 2006-2007 time period. I have talked to and seen close to two dozen and that's just the ones I know of. Module failures from 2006-2007 seems to be on the rise. I'm sure there may be more we never hear about.

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


    Thank you said by: William Campbell

  • Re: 80 HP 912UL will not start

    by » 10 years ago


    Hi Dave,
    I went over to the airport this morning and tried to start my engine. It cranked but as usual nothing happened. I had a hair dryer there and decided to take your advice and warm the modules up. It was already 85F at the time. I heated the top module till it felt warm to touch. Got in and cranked it and it immediately started - WOW! what a surprise. The engine was clearly getting fuel as it ran rough and smelt rich for a few seconds. So it looks like it is time to pay the piper and buy a new set of ignition modules. I am going to wait a couple days and try it again to see if I can repeat the sequence.

    Thanks for your input and advice.

    Bill

  • Re: 80 HP 912UL will not start

    by » 10 years ago


    2007 seems like 'all those years ago'... how long is the warranty on those modules, anyway? :huh:

  • Re: 80 HP 912UL will not start

    by » 10 years ago


    Hi Keith,
    I don't know if there is any long term warranties on the modules. If anyone else has knowledge on this please chime in.

    Bill

  • Re: 80 HP 912UL will not start

    by » 10 years ago


    I cannot take credit for the discovery of using a hot air gun. I found it by doing a google search on the internet. I am a believer in sharing knowledge with brother pilots. My pleasure.

    There was a discussion this afternoon at the hanger chat session and it was brought up that the culprit may be dampness in the module. One guy suggested cooking the module in a oven at low temperature for a while and then sealing it with the paint used on motor windings. I may try that when the new modules arrive so I can keep on flying.

    In my situation, if I fly every few days the module stays operational. If I let the plane sit for a week it will not start. I do not recommend anyone fly with known bad modules. Fly at your own risk.

    I am not interested in doing any cross country flights at the moment. Sadly, I may miss a few local fly-ins.

    I have ordered the "Advanced Start Kit" ASM-kit 881-280 for $942 which includes two soft start modules.I have the 6 pin plugs on mine. They are on backorder with LEAF and Lockwood. So I am on the backorder list. Parts due in sometime in Sept.

    It would be nice if the module manufacturer would step up to the plate and refund a bit more of the cost. I only have around 364 hours on mine. I flew today for half an hour but stayed within 15 miles of the airfield.

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