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  • Re: Lost Power on Takeoff & Crashed...HELP

    by » 4 years ago


    That's weird...  I don't know why the text I posted doesn't format correctly to fit into the display window.  If you use your browser's "View - Zoom Out" menu command, it shows properly.  Never had that happen before...


  • Re: Lost Power on Takeoff & Crashed...HELP

    by » 4 years ago


    Bill, that is what I was thinking regarding the header tank as a place for any air to be trapped at the top. The idea of drilling holes in my wing tanks to install return lines is not my first choice. My tanks are in the leading edge and are not removable without some disassembly of the wing. If they were out then I would weld in bungs and do the return to each tank.

    I would like to look at schematics of the fuel system of some well proven aircraft, like Kitfox, Zenith 701, Rans, ect. If anyone has those could yo please post here or email to me. david.botich@gmail.com

    Thanks for your feedback.


  • Re: Lost Power on Takeoff & Crashed...HELP

    by » 4 years ago


    Can’t find the zoom function!


  • Re: Lost Power on Takeoff & Crashed...HELP

    by » 4 years ago


    Jim Isaacs wrote:

    Can’t find the zoom function!

    Ctrl-+ key combination works on most browsers (cmd-+ for mac)


  • Re: Lost Power on Takeoff & Crashed...HELP

    by » 4 years ago


    QUOTE<<< 

    Assuming that both wing tanks are vented, and assuming those wing tanks are plumbed so that they feed into the header tank, then the header tank is in fact vented – through the wing tank vents.  Any air bubbles in that fuel will flow to the top of the header tank, then back to the wing tank through the feed line.  So instead of having to plumb the return line all the way to a wing tank, it should be OK to plumb the return line to the header tank, which is effectively vented through the wing tanks.  

    I learned this at an Oshkosh seminar conducted by an engineer who designed fuel systems for a living.  His take was that simpler is better, and that adding a vent line to the header tank was unnecessary.  Ditto for returning fuel to a wing tank in a system that already has a header tank.  

    >>> 

    This sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

    As long as here is fuel coming DOWN the Fuel line into the Header tank, there is no opportunity for the air to vent back UP to the main tank.

    The vapor can not go Up while the fuel is comming Down: and unless there is fuel comes down to replace the vapor going UP, the Vapor isnt going to go UP in any event.

    Given enough time between flights, the header tank might refill itself as temperature changes caused it to “Breathe”, but in flight the vapor bubble would have no place to go. 

    Unless the feed line had a HUGE cross section, a dedicated Vent Line plumbed slightly higher than the fuel feed line would be needed to have enough “Differential Head” pressure to start the vent flow.

    The vent line cross section can be significantly smaller than the Fuel line if needed.

    I would mock up the tanks to confirm that what you expect to happen actually does happen before committing to flight.


    Bill Hertzel
    Rotax 912is
    North Ridgeville, OH, USA
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