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  • Re: Third fuel pump on 912 iS engine installations

    by » 7 years ago


    Almost identical experiences.
    Glad your vapor lock experience resulted in a safe landing.
    Can you please provide a simple schematic drawing and photograph of the 2 facet pumps that you added? Model numbers would also be appreciated. If your modification works no sense in re-inventing the wheel.
    Over the last week a Texas airport began selling Swift Fuel UL 94. I just filled up. It is a little pricey but the manufacturer says that the RVP is in compliance with AVGAS standards (5.5 to 7.0 psi).

  • Re: Third fuel pump on 912 iS engine installations

    by » 7 years ago


    I have been following this thread with great interest. I have never experienced vapor lock, ( i fly mostly in the Pacific North West) but have always been waiting for it. That said, I have recently reviewed the 912iS installation manual used when I constructed my Kitfox SS7. I note that the Rotax install manual (edition 1/rev 2, of 2014, states on page eight of fuel section to install the fuel pump assy in a "cool " place. In keeping with that, the Kitfox build manual depicts the installation of the fuel pump assembly as being as low on the firewall as possible and as far away from the engine as possible. Pre- drilled holes in the firewall were provided. I wonder what would happen if only one pump were operated in cruise and in the event of pump cavitation would turning on the other pump possibly bring the pumps out of cavitation???????????????

  • Re: Third fuel pump on 912 iS engine installations

    by » 7 years ago


    Thanks James..

    Richard..the problem with that is if the cavitation occurs before the fuel pumps, turning them both on would make no difference - they would both suck air...(often the vapourisation can occur before the pumps).

    Or even vapourisation is occuring at the pumps, there would be a lot of air (vapourising fuel) in this area so neither of the pumps would be able to get good suction (as you know it's actually only quite a small area in the pump housing and they are basically under the same heat conditions).

    When I did my research into this (after my incident) I found that sometimes mogas can boil as low as 40 deg (c) at around 8-10,000 feet - depending on the fuel, line pressure etc. This is made worse with suction, creating lower pressure (reducing the boiling point further). I am thinking the best 'cool' place is in the cabin down low somewhere (positive gravity feed, fuel can never boil here). This then ensures positive fuel pressure in your fuel lines in the hot areas of your fuel system before the engine (not suction).

    The Rotax pumps are reciprocating pumps that spin at very high speed - once they cavitate, it's not easy to stop them - it really needs fuel to be 'pushed' into them. That's why I used diaphragm pumps (facet pumps) to kind of push the fuel to them. We also made sure that with the fuel system running on the ground (engine off) the 2 facet pump-assembly had enough pumping power to ensure positive pressure (above and beyond the 2 x Rotax pumps).

    I am not sure if I got any photos of my setup (and it's in an awkward place to access), but I will try and sketch it up and post it.

  • Re: Third fuel pump on 912 iS engine installations

    by » 7 years ago


    Ian, your experience sounds quite terrifying to me - boiling fuel and engine stops and I am sure your diagnosis is correct and the cure was appropriate. I'm not sure there aren't two problems here; yours is cavitation and complete fuel system (and engine) failure I think that James and others problems might be different because your failure was sudden and complete and the others just had "stumbles" that went away. What I don't know, among many things, is if cavitation can happen "a little bit" or if it is always sudden and complete.

    How is your fuel system plumbed ? Low wing or high wing? Header tank? I am maybe 3 months from engine start, I have gravity feed to a header tank and then a gascolator before the pumps. As an aside, the viking system with a fuel pump submerged in the header tank doesn't look too bad after all.....

  • Re: Third fuel pump on 912 iS engine installations

    by » 7 years ago


    Here is a Photo of my installation. The fuel tank is below the pumps in the belly so the pumps have to pull up about 150 mm at the most. So far in 450 hr I have only had a stumble a couple of times, both on a hot day and after heat soaking.

    There may be another factor here which is the Vapour sensitivity of your local fuel i suspect fuel with ethanol will be worse.

    Another factor is having a bit of airflow over the fuel system. If you can replicate the problem with a hot air dryer then you should be able to solve it with a little NACA duct pushing air over the system.
    IMG_0033_2018-03-21.jpeg (You do not have access to download this file.)

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