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After approximately 95 Hobbs Meter hours on my Van's RV-12, I discovered that both carburetors were flooding the engine because the float bowl needle valves were not sealing. Inspection of the viton rubber tips on the needle valves showed they were severely "truncated" near the conical tip due to permanent deformation of the rubber where they contacted the valve seat.

It seems to me that the service life of these needle valves should be more than 95 Hobbs hours. I burn Automobile Premium 91 Octane fuel here in California which has 10% alcohol plus whatever other additives California dictates.

Would appreciate any feedback other 912ULS owners may have had with sealing the float bowls.
  • Re: Rotax 912 ULS Bing 64 CARBURETOR FLOODING

    by » 12 years ago


    Hi Harold,
    The needle valve rarely goes bad and especially two at one time. If it truly is bad needle valves then something caused it. The 91 Oct. with ethanol didn't do it. A good part of the US 912 engines use auto fuel with ethanol. It may be the float arms out of adjustment. It might be possible that some type of fuel delivery over pressure added to your problem. Not that it's recommended, but I have seen needle valves last 10+ years and more than 1500 hrs. (not recommended)

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


  • Re: Rotax 912 ULS Bing 64 CARBURETOR FLOODING

    by » 12 years ago


    While on the subject,is there any way of dressing the seat on the needle valve? Have replaced a leaky one but it still leaks overnight if the fuel is left on. The seat must be the culprit. Any ideas?

  • Re: Rotax 912 ULS Bing 64 CARBURETOR FLOODING

    by » 12 years ago


    Hi James,
    No way to fix them, just replace it and make sure you check the float arm adjustment.If you have bad floats and it is sinking it won't seal the fuel flow off and it will over flow. Put fuel in the carb bowl and put your floats in then check and make sure the floats are at the correct level.

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


  • Re: Rotax 912 ULS Bing 64 CARBURETOR FLOODING

    by » 12 years ago


    I may not have explained myself very well. I am talking about the seat on the carby. There must be a way to fix this problem without putting on a new carby. The needles are new and float levels correct.There is no visible damage to the seat so it should be fixable.

  • Re: Rotax 912 ULS Bing 64 CARBURETOR FLOODING

    by » 12 years ago


    Hi James,


    With the new needles valves are you still having a problem?
    If you are talking about the metal seat that the rubber tipped needle valve rest up against then I highly doubt that is the real problem. They just don't go bad unless you poke something in there to to cause mechanical damage. I have heard of one or two people trying to work on them and usually make things worse and once damaged then a new carb is about $1100. It is fairly common to see a ring around the rubber tip from the needle being pushed up against the seat and the tip against the small hole. With the new fuel pump and a little higher fuel pressure than yesteryear I might expect to see more, but that doesn't mean the rubber needle valve is necessarily damaged.
    Did you do these two checks to make sure the levels were okay. First the float arm (when the carb is held upside down)should be 10.5mm from the outside edge of the carb to the top of the float arm. Then with fuel in the carb bowl the floats should ride so the pins are equal to the fuel surface and not one sinking below. With two carbs flooding at the same time the odds of both needle valves, both needle valve orifice seats or floats in both carbs being bad at the same time have to be huge.
    Have you double checked the fuel pressure with another gauge?

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


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