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Hi there,

I'm a newb here with a 912S fitted to my factory built 2 seat gyro. I have put 100hrs on it in the past 2 months and all has been well except a nagging issue. At full power there is a smell of fuel and there is a yellow/brown sticky residue left on the frame around the air filters. The mixture seems to be fine, the carbs are in sync, the engine develops good power and does not consume excessive fuel. The only other slight clue (maybe) is a dark discoloration of the prop right by the exhaust, but this takes some 10 hours or so to become noticeable.

The smell is not too strong (but i am up wind from the pusher engine) and the residue only needs cleaning every few hours, but i am sure that this shows that the engine is not running as efficiently as it should/could. I also know that gyro's are considered high drag aircraft so i wonder if the engine is developing full power, and once that is reached, additional fuel is just being wasted.

Sage forum members, I seek your thoughts and council.

Thanks,

Neil
  • Re: Fuel spitting out of air filters at full power

    by » 12 years ago


    Hi Neil,

    It could be a couple of things. Make sure the carb bowl gaskets are not leaking. You should have drip trays under them. The carbs may be synced, but you may have a float out of adjustment and the excess fuel is venting. You may have the carb vent tubes mounted in the wrong place. The other thing would have been the carbs out of sync. These need to be synced every 100 hrs. whether you think they do or not.

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


  • Re: Fuel spitting out of air filters at full power

    by » 12 years ago


    Hi Roger,

    I am pretty sure it's not the bowl gaskets. The only residue in that area looks like it was blown there. I'll look more closely at the vent pipes and the sinc tomorrow, but since the filters are going the same colour as the residue on the frame, i'm pretty sure that's where the fuel is coming from.

    Neil

  • Re: Fuel spitting out of air filters at full power

    by » 12 years ago


    I really don't know if this will help. The only experience I have ever had with fuel odors is when the fuel pumps started leaking fuel at the weep hole at the mounting flange. It leaves very little evidence. It has always been on fuel pumps marked A/C . The diaphragms gives way when using the aux fuel pump and causes the weeping. This happens over a period of time when the diaphragm gets more and more use. The diaphragm can not handle the extra pressure produced by the aux pump. . There is a new and improved fuel pump available. I know this does not match up with the air filter observation, but thought to just put it out there.

  • Re: Fuel spitting out of air filters at full power

    by » 12 years ago


    I too am a Rotax newb, so correct me if I'm wrong here... I had a similar problem of fuel soaking the air filters on a new install of a 912ULS on an RV12. Enough gas was being pushed back out the carbs to be evident on the belly of the plane. I thought perhaps a high fuel pressure problem might be pushing gas through the carb vents. I spoke with a Roxtax engine tech at LEAF and described to him the problem and the installation parameters (static rpm, take off rpm, fuel pressure readings, etc) and he concluded the prop was set too course and lugging the engine down. He said if the 912 is lugged down at full power, fuel/air mixture can exit through the air filters. Okay...but why? I later explained the phenomena and the service tech's advice to an Mechanical/Aerospace Engineering friend of mine. He said it could be due to something called "valve overlap", where the intake valve starts to open just before the completion of the exhaust event and a portion of the exhaust stroke briefly pushes the air/fuel mixture back through the carb. He said if the engine rpm is high enough there's enough inertia of the air/fuel mixture to prevent it from puffing back through the carb. Bottom line is - run the engine at the proper rpm. The Rotax engine tech recommend an absolute minimum take off rpm of 5200. Since flattening the pitch of the prop to increase engine rpm, the problem has disappeared. Roger? What say you?

  • Re: Fuel spitting out of air filters at full power

    by » 12 years ago


    New engines or and or new owners don't always set up the components correctly and sometimes altering them without knowing the longer term consequences. Sometimes taking the advice of your neighbor doesn't always help. ;)

    If you have a 912UL or ULS there are a few things that can cause this and they are all easy to correct. Here they are, but not in any specific order.
    Float level wrong. The float arms should be 10.5mm in height measured from the outside edge of the carb.
    The floats should float in the fuel even with the pins sticking out of the float side and the floats should not sink.
    Carbs not synced properly.
    Poor condition engine mounts that allow the engine to shake which makes the carb floats and needle valve hard to control the proper level.
    Over pressure on the fuel. All suspected fuel pressure issues or unsolved fuel issues should have the pressure checked at idle and full throttle.
    No re-circulation line in the fuel system.
    leaking needle valves. Usually old, but not always.
    leaking fuel fitting connection on the carb from the fuel input hose or stainless tubing. The sometimes mimics fuel coming out of the carb throat, but is only blown back by air onto the filters.
    Leaking intake valve which can be easily checked with a differential leak down compression test. (fairly rare)

    Roger Lee
    LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
    Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)
    520-349-7056 Cell


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