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So, my workplace has just recently... (well maybe not that recently, it has already been over a year now) been operating twin engine Rotax 912S3s in the Tecnam P2006Ts since 2023 and it has been a challenge between the G1000 and the engines which has been frustrating as I really enjoy working on these units.

One of the more frustrating statistics has been that we have gone through two engines within about 300 hours and the airframe has less than 450 hours on it.   Detonation that I thought was caused by fuel as we have a mandatory ethanol requirement in our Mogas but after a fuel sample was tested it passed with a RON98 designation antiknock index of 92.1 etc.  So, I feel like I can mostly rule out the fuel, not to mention our other airframe is closer to 900 hours on the stock engines running the same thing.  Based on what I was told by some of the guys at Rotech it is likely because the engines are being loaded too heavily and in a bad RPM range (2060 prop RPM at 22 InHg cruising at around 90 kts according to a pilot report)

Another frustration has been one engine has already had bad ignition units, but it was on our more reliable airframe, and it would seem I might be back in that boat with a hard starting engine that has about 344 hours give or take a few on the one that has now had two engine replacements.  Currently I am dealing with an engine that refuses to start and has a tendency to kick back during a start attempt, a pilot with a ton of hours feels that it wasn't getting fuel because the fuel PSI was reading 0.4 but I also happen to know that when the fuel qty. on the G1000 doesn't show accurate, then neither will the fuel PSI so a quick reset of the EIS 2 fixed that issue and I am back up between 4.4 and 5.2 fuel PSI, not to mention I did check the carburetor bowls and they definitely had fuel in the quantity that I had expected to see

My inquiry is I am basically looking for advice:

-Aside from that recent service bulletin that discussed detonation and ways to avoid it, what are some tips and tricks that you guys might have had success with?   

One of our unique problems is up here in Canada we will occasionally challenge the lower temperature range of the XPS 5W50 oil which I don't believe helps us out though we normally cancel flights below -30 Celsius but will fly above 30 Celsius in summer

-If one ignition module is no bueno would it be a bad idea to try to start it on a single module to try to isolate the issue?

-I tested the connector for the easy start with the starter disconnected and found only 10.5 volts on either pin when the starter button was pushed, is this too low of voltage?  Resistance between the pins and the starter cable is about 4 ohms.

-I tested all the plugs on the engine with the ignition modules removed as per 912 MMH 74-20-00 page 7 and all the values look good according to the chart.  I know there's only bench testing at a few locations like Lockwood.

 

I took my iRMT course a year and a bit ago at Lockwood, and I felt pretty well trained for this, but I am the only one working on these engines and it's tough to not consider that I may be the problem despite my best efforts.  Ideally it would be nice to have another technician with training and experience to defer to them and discuss testing and diagnosis on these components

 

  • Re: Need some advice

    by » 19 hours ago


    That some interesting problems you have there. I can't comment on the pre-ignition with specific regards to the 912, it's usually fuel quality, ignition timing or mixture.

    I don't see why you cannot start the engine on a single ignition. I do this on mine, alternating starts between each so that I can detect early start failures in the ignition modules otherwise you only find out when the second one fails and then you are stuck with an engine that will not fire at cranking RPM.

    It goes without saying, make sure your battery and starter are in good order and that you are getting good strong cranking. You don't want ongoing kick-back on start, this will cause expensive damage to the sprag clutch assembly.

    I'm not familiar with the thresholds in the soft start circuit. 10.5V sounds a little low, can you see where the volt-drop is occuring? You could use a timing light on the flywheel to check the timing during cranking. That would tell you whether it has been suitably retarded.

    Do you pre-heat the oil/engine in the winter?


  • Re: Need some advice

    by » 16 hours ago


    Having lived in Alberta for a couple of years, a long time ago, I am a convert to battery condition, especially when it comes to Rotax start power and the potential damage caused by a weak battery.

    As you will know, weak batteries almost always show their condition as winter takes hold.

    I support Kevins advice in this regard. Persisting with a weak battery, in the short term, is false economy and will cost you dear in the long.


  • Re: Need some advice

    by » 15 hours ago


    Kevin Stewart wrote:

    That some interesting problems you have there. I can't comment on the pre-ignition with specific regards to the 912, it's usually fuel quality, ignition timing or mixture.

    I don't see why you cannot start the engine on a single ignition. I do this on mine, alternating starts between each so that I can detect early start failures in the ignition modules otherwise you only find out when the second one fails and then you are stuck with an engine that will not fire at cranking RPM.

    It goes without saying, make sure your battery and starter are in good order and that you are getting good strong cranking. You don't want ongoing kick-back on start, this will cause expensive damage to the sprag clutch assembly.

    I'm not familiar with the thresholds in the soft start circuit. 10.5V sounds a little low, can you see where the volt-drop is occuring? You could use a timing light on the flywheel to check the timing during cranking. That would tell you whether it has been suitably retarded.

    Do you pre-heat the oil/engine in the winter?

    The engines are warm from storage but the tanis won’t work on the oil tank because it is mounted through nacelle lightening holes so we make sure they get run out of the hangar and covered immediately to retain heat.  

    Battery is a good point but the left engine starts up immediately so I’m not sure if that’s the issue but I’ll look into it

     


  • Re: Need some advice

    by » 10 hours ago


    Hi Paul,

    If you are consistently starting the same ("...left...") engine first, could be that a weak battery doesn't have enough energy to crank the second engine fast enough for a good start.

    "............bad RPM range (2060 prop RPM at 22 InHg cruising at around 90 kts according to a pilot report)"

    2060 prop rpm = 4676 engine rpm with the standard 2.27:1 gearbox.

    Unless loitering (just enough power to maintain altitude) I would never operate my 912 ULS below 5000 rpm = 2202.64 prop rpm.

    Rotax used to recomend a minimum of 5200 rpm for take-off & climb. They seem to have discontinued this recommendation in favour of  the pilot using the MAP/RPM charts for 95 - 98 RON fuel. Personally I think the old simple advice is still good practise.😈

     

     

     


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