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  • Re: Rotax 912 ULS - Fretted CrankCase

    by » 13 years ago


    Gentlemen

    Before everyone assumes in all cases crankcase fretting is strictly a Rotax design issue, please consider there are many influencing factors that ultimately can lead to a certain destructive harmonics being transmitted through the engine, resulting in loss of crankcase stud torque leading ultimately to crankcase fretting!

    I've seen this issue from time to time in our Diamond Katana Commercial Flight School fleet and in all cases we found it attributable to a series of compounding issues which if not resolved ultimately lead to the fretting issue. Things such as proper carb synchronization, intake induction design influence on mixture settings, worn carb parts such as slide needles, slide bores, float arms, etc., bad engine mounts(worn out, too stiff, too soft, wrong design for isolating first order natural frequency of engine), poor engine mount design(again fails to totally isolate engines first order natural frequency), propeller balance and tracking, mass inertia, blade flex influence etc., gear box maintenance including friction torque settings, gear dog spring pack pressure etc., and gear box gear wear(pitting caused by poor oil quality with inadequate zinc content to prevent gear tooth pitting etc.).

    As well, and as important is prop loading. Many people are over propping their engines by adding too much pitch, in essence running to high a gear(too much load), for the amount of throttle they are loading the engine too! I've seen a lot of chat on this site about prop loading and can tell you one rule of thumb that works for one aircraft/prop/engine combination may not neccesarily work for another as there are many floating variables here also.

    Too many people run over square on engine load versus throttle setting like running your car in fourth gear with a boot full of throttle trying to climb a steep hill when they should be in second gear! The Rotax 912 series can run it's entire life wide open throttle at 5500rpm and will love you for it and at this loading has the absolute least natural engine vibration!

    Lastly, if you are sure you have discovered a safety issue with your engine, you can file a Customer Service Information Report(CSIR) by going to the "Service" button on this web site, then scroll down and click on "File a Customer Service Information Report". Make sure you fill in completely this form with all required information and then submit it. Copy of your submission will be sent to the factory and the other to the applicable Rotax Distributor in your area but only if it is deemed legitimate and not a fart in a mitt! Upon submission you may be further contacted for more information and follow up depending on the issue and circumstances. The BIG advantage is the system is designed to pick up repetitive problems allowing the factory to track trends and act on them! I've used this CSIR reporting system many times and it is the absolute best way to report issues and get action on them!

    In Canada here where I operate we're pretty lucky to have the Rotax Distributor Rotech, these guys are responsible for all "Certified" Rotax engines in North, Central and South America, most of which are run in high utilization flight schools meaning they see many problems and find solutions to them in most cases years before the non-certified fleet does! They also have a Hugh store of Used serviceable parts including crank cases, gear boxes, cylinder heads etc., for those looking for saving some money, as well they have the best Rotax factory approved engine overhaul shop in the industry. Their web site is www.Rotech.ca , I use these guys all the time to solve weird problems and they always seem to have the answers, many which I've reflected in this writing!

    Hope this info helps.......

  • Re: Rotax 912 ULS - Fretted CrankCase

    by » 13 years ago


    Hi Ralph

    Thanks for your input. You do raise some valid points there, especially about letting the 912 rev out.

    However while I agree with your comments around destructive harmonics potentially being the underlying point of failure with this issue it needs to be taken as a grain of salt as every aircraft will have a spot where destructive harmonics are distributed throughout the engine and airframe. The reality is you could take 2 brand new LSA machines with Rotax 912s off any manufacturing line and I will guarantee you they will be transmitting different harmonics at the same rev ranges etc. As you pointed out there are an almost countless number of variances in any setup which will ultimately lead to this behaviour.

    I certainly don't have all the answers ... in fact just a whole lot of questions right now. However the fact is these engines have a paper lifespan of 1500 - 2000 hours and under normal recommended operating conditions they should well exceed this runtime. Rotax right now are pushing the catch phrase "Reliability 40000 times over", I just wish that was true!!

    Without looking too hard (ie putting a post on this website), I have come across 4 Rotax 912ULS engines within 1000 serial numbers, with 1500 TBO's, with between 300 and 900 hours runtime which have suffered the same failure ..... I am just putting 2 and 2 together and wondering is there a wider issue here? Who knows, as I say at this point and time I only have questions.

    It would be nice to think that Rotax would at least discuss this 'situation' and perhaps they will with the CSIR function you have mentioned, I will have to try this. One frustrating thing about Rotax appears to be they will not talk with Joe Public, and will only communicate with you via an authorised service center. Which makes things hard when you are on the otherside of the world. Anyway here's hoping we can find a resolution and I can get some air under my feet again sometime soon!

    If anyone has anymore information around this issue or knows of the same failure please provide details around engine serial numbers and number of hours.

  • Re: Rotax 912 ULS - Fretted CrankCase

    by » 13 years ago


    Gentlemen

    My engine (912 ULS)serial number is 5645379, it has 850hrs since new in 2006.
    For some time, starting last summer, I was thinking it was only one having that problem with my engine.
    It was worsening gradually to the point now, that is very hard to turn prop when it is stopped after flight.
    When cold there is no more tension although I can see that there is a bit more resistance than on the newer engine(200hrs)especialy on initial pull, after that is smoother.
    Last oil analisys did not show anything unusual and the new one will be performed this week, I will compare those two results. In Flight engine is working very well, temps. are OK and no vibration or loss of power. Magnetic plugs on gear box and oil reservuar shows nothig unusual, build up is less what Rotax allows.
    From what I see from your observation I'm on the same boat, I was expecting more from my engine and I strongly belive, Rotax must be accounted for it.

    Cheers

  • Re: Rotax 912 ULS - Fretted CrankCase

    by » 13 years ago


    Hello Christopher

    Your situation sounds identical to mine, same symptoms etc. My magnetic plug showed nothing on the last oil change, however I am yet to cut the filter open as I want to inspect the paper.

    You need to do the test that Roger has outlined in a previous post. Basically slacken off the cylinder bolts on the number 2 cylinder (2 of which are under the green rocker cover) and if the engine feels different (ie, easier to turn over) then chances are you have the same fretting issue.

    So far I am $8000 out of pocket for just the parts, which should be on my door step tomorrow. This cost includes no labour etc, I am just grateful that my crank is measuring up perfectly fine. As if you required a new crankshaft and case this would effectively write off the entire engine.

    Rotax needs to come to the party with this issue with something ... infact even some information would be good!! Someone reading this must have some pull with Rotax, or at least a contact who might be prepared to listen to what is being discussed here.

    Jonathan

  • Re: Rotax 912 ULS - Fretted CrankCase

    by » 13 years ago


    Evening All

    Well 2 shipments of new Rotax parts turned up earlier this week and after 6 hours the engine is all back together again. Thought I would show a few photos of what actually happended to my original crankcase and crank bearings. Sorry the quality is not the best but does show what we are actually talking about here.

    And still silence from Rotax ... got to love a manufacturer who stands by their products :(

    Jonathan
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    Thank you said by: Christopher Bieniecki

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