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  • Re: 912UL Engine vibration on throttle back

    by » 12 years ago


    I think (touch wood) that I have solved my vibration issue. It was all self induced. Hope the following info is of use to someone else so I will swallow my pride and tell you how I caused the problem.

    The vibration was because of air leaking inwards between the intake manifold and the drip tray. When I bought the drip trays they did not come with any gaskets or instructions. When I removed the carb rubber flange from the intake manifold I noticed an O ring separating the two. I put this O ring between the drip tray and intake manifold and managed to "pinch' them on both sides so they broke. It was clear air was leaking in (plugs looked too clean in hindsight and hard time balancing carbs at idle, rough idling) and there was a tell-tale sign of fuel staining from leakage at the lowest point of contact between the intake manifold and drip tray). I have now formed gaskets from gasket card to go between drip tray/intake manifold and carb rubber flange/drip tray, coating all sides with thin film of permatex gasket goo. The motor runs so sweet now at low idle rpm and when I flew for 1.5 hrs this evening I could not reproduce the vibration even after extended climb. I guess what was happening was the mixture was becoming too lean with closing the throttle after climb and when at altitude (carb compensation leaning the mix?). Plugs look normal now. Hate to think that all that vibration was Detonation from overly lean mix, hope no damage been caused. Kevin, have you checked for an air induction leak at all? If not, give it a shot, I saw you were thinking your plugs looked too lean.

    Thanks to all the advice, much appreciated. Now it is time for me to clock up some hours.....

  • Re: 912UL Engine vibration on throttle back

    by » 12 years ago


    Hey Kevin

    Did you have any luck sorting out the vibe issue? I was ticking along ok after fixing what I thought was the problem but it has re-surfaced, not as bad as before and more intermittent.

    Paul

  • Re: 912UL Engine vibration on throttle back

    by » 12 years ago


    Hi Paul,

    I flew the plane a few days ago and I tried not to take too much notice of the vibration, I just wanted to enjoy the flying. That said I have not carried out any further investigation, it was too cold for any tinkering.

    I will update the forum if I discover anything new.

    Kevin

  • Re: 912UL Engine vibration on throttle back

    by » 12 years ago


    Before I go and spend $2K on a new prop, I just want to explore the engine vibe on throttle back some more. On my Skyranger 80hp rotax it is still vibrating when closing the throttle. A nice still clear day today some did some experimenting again. Wondering if this could be a carb issue still. Carbs sync checked and still perfect with the carbmate, engine idles excellent at 1600rpm. Engine goes well at low level except for some vibe when closing throttle which kicks in at 4400rpm, clears by 3800rpm but re-opening throttle it vibes until after about 4400rpm again at which point it runs fine. Climbing to altitude of 3500ft, vibe kicks in at different rpm range, more like 4700rpm but again will not clear itself, need to fully close throttle and re-open. Even after this at altitude, engine harsher in the range of 4600-4800rpm which is right where I need it! If I open throttle and keep straight and level, runs smooth but vibe kicks in again at approx 4800rpm. It is definitely worse at altitude then low level (e.g. 500-1000ft) which makes me wonder about a carb issue/altitude compensating mechanism. I don't profess to know how the compensator works but willing to find out. If the vibe was a prop issue, would it occur in a different rpm range with different altitude? If I had some air induction leak still present, I would imagine the idle would be rough and the carb sync off again. It makes no difference if aux fuel pump on or not, engine has 124 hrs on it now from new, installed July last year, Prop is 2 blade fixed pitch wood that gives WOT climb of 5500 and not quite 5800 straight/level. Have done all the other stuff like checked spark plug gaps, checked torque settings on engine mount bolts. Engine mount rubbers are in fine shape and are the same age as the motor. I don't run a return fuel line and don't monitor fuel pressure but there are no indications the engine is running rich and runs great at full throttle and idle (e.g. during descent). Again, any thoughts from you all appreciated. Will go now and watch video on pulling the carbs apart....

  • Re: 912UL Engine vibration on throttle back

    by » 12 years ago


    Paul,

    It sounds like a harmonics problem to me. If the carbs are synched, I doubt the problem is a compensator. If the compensator diaphragm is bad, one slide would be high or low and the carbs wouldn't sync. You can take the top of the carb off and just lift the slide out, diaphragm and all. Then just check the diaphragm for holes or tears and be sure the slide moves freely in the carb. Be sure when you replace the slide that you line up the tab on the edge of the diaphragm with the indent in tne carb body.

    If your prop worked before, it should work now. Not much to get out of adjustment on a fixed pitch prop.

    I know your engine mount isolators are fairly new but they could still be the problem. I don't know which kind you have but you might try a softer or harder rubber isolator. Sometimes just switching the mounts, top to bottom or left to right can solve a vibration problem.

    Bill.

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