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  • Re: Severe Jittering Oil Pressure

    by » 8 years ago


    The threads are M10x1.
    A brass 1/8 NPT fitting will suffice for this test.
    Use loctite 243 on the threads.

    Thank you said by: Frank Dimmock

  • Re: Severe Jittering Oil Pressure

    by » 8 years ago


    Hi Gents,
    After waiting for the parts to arrive and having to send one back because the wrong item was sent, I've finally managed to slave in a mechanical gauge to check the actual pump pressure. Running the engine shows around 4.5 bar after start at idle, dropping to about 3 bar at 4,000 RPM on the mechanical gauge once reasonably warmed up. The flydat shows about .5 bar less at idle and .3 bar less at 4,000 RPM. Once warmed up to around 80 degrees Celsius, idle on the mechanical gauge shows about 3 bar and 2.5 bar at 4,000 RPM. I noticed at 2,200 RPM the pressure fluctuating rapidly on both mechanical gauge and Flydat between about 3.2 and 2.2 bar at a rate of about twice per second. Increasing or decreasing the revs by a few RPM stops the rapid fluctuations.
    I spoke to the UK ex-Rotax agents who are really helpful and asked about the mushroom-headed valve mod and apparently it was them that designed and submitted it to Rotax. The upshot of the discussions was to check that the valve ball and seat is not damaged and also to check whether there is already a shim under the spring. If no shim is present, try fitting a shim (actually a washer or 2 to make up the same 1.5mm thickness as the genuine shim will work) and check what difference that makes. I tried that and note the pressure is a good bit higher, but I'm now concerned it may be too high as the max pressure I've seen on the mechanical gauge was about 5.5 bar which exceeds the 5 bar limit. So, this raises the questions of what are the risks or disadvantages of too high oil pressure - sheared oil pump drive? burst seals? I've removed one of the washers and pressures are almost back to the original levels - 2.2 bar seems to be the minimum on the Flydat which is too close for my liking to the 2.0 bar limit that starts the display flashing again.
    Next steps:
    Probably change the pressure transmitter as it's reading low across the range according to the mechanical gauge, from 0.3 bar at best to nearly 1 bar at worst. I'm not sure about the accuracy of the mechanical gauge, but my feelings are that it is more accurate than the sensor.
    A new valve spring and possibly a mushroom-headed valve to replace the ball bearing. Maybe a shim under the spring too.
    I have been told there is a new bolt available to guide the spring and mushroom-headed valve better. Does anyone have any experience of this and does it work?
    Thanks for any comments,
    Frank.

  • Re: Severe Jittering Oil Pressure

    by » 8 years ago


    Hi,

    Unfortunately I still have the same problem :( changed the spring, ball and added two shims. Once engine is started and still cold oil pressure is at a steady 3 bar, once in flight let say 10-15 min into the flight the oil pressure needle will start to jitter. This happens at around 4200 -4400 Rpm once on the ground after a flight taxing back to apron @ around 2000 rpm the gauge will read a steady 3 bar...

    I have bench tested the gauge and it seems to be working perfectly fine ohms changes and gauge reads as per chart.

    I honestly don't know what to do.

    My next step would be changing the sending unit and maybe change the wiring..

    Mic

  • Re: Severe Jittering Oil Pressure

    by » 8 years ago


    Hi,i have the same fluctuating oil pressure problem,it only occurs when the oil is at operating temp. We have tried everything,short of removing the pump itself,confirmed problem with a mechanical gauge,We replaced the ball and spring with the mushroom valve and new spring, we found a slightly kinked oil line and replaced all the hoses with new rotax oil line making sure there were no sharp bends,problem still exists. fluctuates between 3 and 5 bar on the MGL gauge and 40 to 60 PSI on the mechanical.this has been happening since motor was brand new, our Rotax dealer here in Australia is also puzzeld by this, any thoughts
    John

  • Re: Severe Jittering Oil Pressure

    by » 8 years ago


    Hi Mic and John,

    I'm beginning to wonder if the hunting pressure is actually such a problem after all, provided the indicated pressure stays within limits. I note the sensing hole in the pressure connector of the transmitter is only about 1 or 2 mm in diameter, so any pressure fluctuations will naturally be damped to a certain degree, but whether the hunting is actually caused by pressure changes or vibration of the sensor is not clear. I suspect vibration of the transmitter may be the cause and the best way to prove it would be remote mounting it as has been suggested by others. It would be interesting to know if engines with remote mounted transmitters suffer the same fluctuation problems - I wonder if anyone has any comments or experience of this?

    By the way Mic, I've read (as far as I can remember in the Rotax maintenance manual) that a maximum of 1 shim should be added if necessary to bring the pressure into range, but 2 could increase it too far and risk blowing a seal or gasket.

    I've put a new transmitter on my engine after confirming the old one was under reading by up to 1 bar at mid range. The new one was checked for accuracy against 2 mechanical gauges using a precision pressure regulator and on fitting to the engine showed the oil pressure was a bit high, so I've now removed the shim I had fitted. I still get the hunting pressure indication at around 4,000 rpm when hot. Next step is to fit the brass mass-damper ring from the original Rotax (made by VDO) sensor onto the new one (which is not a Rotax part) and if necessary explore the transmitter remote mounting option. Maybe electrical damping of the transmitter fluctuations with a capacitor could also help.

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